Megan Devine, a psychotherapist and author of “It’s OK That You’re Not OK,” called in to the show after the death of designer Kate Spade so that we could have an honest conversation about discussing suicide and mental health in 2018 and on a platform like mine.

Sadly after we taped this, celebrity chef and TV host Anthony Bourdain took his life.

For more on Megan, find her at refugeingrief.com. If you or someone you know is contemplating suicide, please call the Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255.